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Discussion Starter · #881 · (Edited)
I think that a lot of ZS EV registrations are for PHV as it makes kind of sense.

Even ZipCar are getting in on the act and are going to be rolling out MG ZS EV models to their fleet.


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From the link I am guessing PHV is something like Private Hire Vehicles as there is is no ZS Plug-In Hybrid. The standard minicab having morphed from a diesel Octavia to a Prius, it seems the time is right for ZS EV and particularly for MG5 SW, though councils such as Stafford have been making problems for EVs.

Are you having a guess for March, Matty? This month i have enough guesses to close the books on Wednesday as usual and the results will be out a week on Tuesday.
 

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From the link I am guessing PHV is something like Private Hire Vehicles as there is is no ZS Plug-In Hybrid. The standard minicab having morphed from a diesel Octavia to a Prius, it seems the time is right for ZS EV and particularly for MG5 SW, though councils such as Stafford have been making problems for EVs.

Are you having a guess for March, Matty? This month i have enough guesses to close the books on Wednesday as usual and the results will be out a week on Tuesday.
Yes, PHV is the acronym for Private Hire Vehicle.

No guesses from me, I just like to watch from the sides.

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Discussion Starter · #885 ·
Thanks Dave. I think that concludes the guessing for this month.


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Dave's guess is massive compared to the others, three times more than G0MRL at the bottom and more than twice gnu in second place. If MG can shift that many cars in a month with no showrooms or test drives virtually anywhere, they and their dealers must be thinking how the model could be streamlined.
 

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Woo! what a month! With almost no showrooms open, only 44 cars fewer than 4,000 sold, catching us all out. Dave wins , though it's 1,300 and some half again more than his guess. It's almost six times as many G0MRL's guess!

That's high thirties sold in the month for each dealer (before presuming there were some direct fleet sales)

I expect the EVs are selling like hot cakes . Fleet sales are up 29% in the month (and March 2020 was quite a good month until lockdown late in the month).

Match month was actually up, but MG's midfield competitors were mainly on the slide and saw octagon no longer in their rear view mirror, but accelerating away. The exceptions were Mazda and Renault, who held on to their lead despite a stunning 45% boost by MG by merely maintaining their sales.

Even so, in the month the car in front was an MG for new rivals Fiat, Dacia, and Suzuki but also for Honda!

ManufacturerMar mthv MGv 2020Mkt %
Dacia
2,149​
(1,807)​
-29%0.76%
Fiat
2,376​
(1,580)​
-29%0.84%
Suzuki
2,932​
(1,024)​
-15%1.03%
Honda
3,055​
(901)​
-34%1.08%
MG
3,956​
0​
+45%1.39%
Mazda
4,058​
102​
-3%1.43%
Renault
5,787​
1,831​
+2%2.23%
Whole market+11%

Year to date , MG's advance looks less startling, but Mazda too is in the rear view mirror overall. I only added Honda and Renault as competition at the last minute, but, of these midfield brands, only Renault is even ahead of the octagon after three months!

Manufacturer2021 YTDv MGv 2020Mkt %
Fiat
3,213​
(2,948)​
-48%0.76%
Dacia
3,276​
(2,885)​
-35%0.77%
Suzuki
3,903​
(2,258)​
-38%0.92%
Honda
4,520​
(1,641)​
-53%1.06%
Mazda
5,302​
(859)​
-26%1.25%
MG
6,161​
0​
+13%1.45%
Renault
8,066​
1,905​
-19%1.90%
Whole market-12%

Fleet sales were up 29% this month over last month. I expect the EVs are MG's big sellers with them! BEVs are now regularly 2/3 or more diesels...

MarYear 2021
Diesel total
30,730​
48,574​
Petrol total
137,557​
209,212​
BEV
22,003​
31,779​
BEV as % of diesel
72%​
65%​
 

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I'm sure it will be relief to you all when I say that I'm getting out of here. I've been an MG fan all my motoring life of 60 years, but with electric only, Chinese SUV MGs, I think the time has come to vote with my feet. We'll keep our 7 year warranty MG3 until the said guarantee has more or less run out, and I will probably keep my one owner TF135 until I peg out, but I'm even wondering about that.

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I'm sure it will be relief to you all when I say that I'm getting out of here. I've been an MG fan all my motoring life of 60 years, but with electric only, Chinese SUV MGs, I think the time has come to vote with my feet. We'll keep our 7 year warranty MG3 until the said guarantee has more or less run out, and I will probably keep my one owner TF135 until I peg out, but I'm even wondering about that.

Cheerio all.
Whilst some of their decisions along the way have been curious and odd.
You can't blame them for embracing electric vehicles the same as most manufacturers are, hybrids have been out a long time, so they are bit too late to the party in the hybrid stakes.
Given the ban on ICE in the very near future it would be daft to spend lots of money on developing petrol and or diesel engines when everyone else is trying to go electric in readiness for the ban.
Pitching half decent electric cars is doing MG a big boost in sales and is shown by the sales figures.
 

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Whilst some of their decisions along the way have been curious and odd.
You can't blame them for embracing electric vehicles the same as most manufacturers are, hybrids have been out a long time, so they are bit too late to the party in the hybrid stakes.
Given the ban on ICE in the very near future it would be daft to spend lots of money on developing petrol and or diesel engines when everyone else is trying to go electric in readiness for the ban.
Pitching half decent electric cars is doing MG a big boost in sales and is shown by the sales figures.
At least MG Motor UK are now taking advertising seriously as I've heard a radio advert on national radio (LBC 97.3MHz) advertising their £750 off a new EV or PHEV offer if you take a test drive:

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I'm sure it will be relief to you all when I say that I'm getting out of here. I've been an MG fan all my motoring life of 60 years, but with electric only, Chinese SUV MGs, I think the time has come to vote with my feet. We'll keep our 7 year warranty MG3 until the said guarantee has more or less run out, and I will probably keep my one owner TF135 until I peg out, but I'm even wondering about that.

Cheerio all.
Well. I must say that when Gary Hagen suggested at the launch of the LE 500 that there might one day be a range of four or even five MGs I never expected two SUVs; an estate more like a Vauxhall Victor FD than a Rover 420 Tourer; and the oldest one, a brilliant supermini very similar to an Escort XR3, though slightly less fast with far better equipment levels and much, much cheaper. Which is not the successful one and may not even be replaced!
Nor that three out of four models come in variants which today are as popular as diesels but need charging off the mains - with one electric only, and an even bigger third SUV and the first MG sportscar in a decade likely or possible in electric form! Or that continental sales would just be taking off.
Nor that MGs would be fully constructed in China, Thailand and India only with assembly in Pakistan.
Mind you, even in 2015 I would not have predicted Brexit and in mid-March 2020 I would not have expected the Covid pandemonium.
I cannot understand politicians confusing "virtue-signalling because they won't be in charge when it all goes wrong" with "actually having a political strategy" in suddenly banning new petrol and diesel engines, But they have done so.
In the new world, MG has moved from mid-80s Hyundai ("Wish you could have another old-fashioned Cortina but don't really want a jelly mould? Get a Stellar from a country you would never think would ever make cars!") to something like a late-70s Toyota ("Fed up of ordinary cars? Ours are quirky and come from a country well known for making cheap tat which you might well say you actually dislike - but things have changed, ours work really well and they are quite cheap to buy, though parts and servicing may be a different matter".)
And in this fantastic MB of the Noughties we will have underestimated how hard it has been to sell MG to the masses in the UK, not because they expected Zeds, but because most people thought Longbridge had closed in 2000 when B*W left and remembered Longbridge as a place where thousands of noisy men demonstrated against ordinary British people in general and foolish buyers of British cars in particular, and thought of MGs as pretty, but pretty old-fashioned, sportscars in an outdated way. Today, selling a product as "British brand heritage" (true or not - and SAIC MG took over a great deal from the wreckage of MG Rover, including designers from the Issigonis team and its successors) is much harder than selling "Czech brand heritage" so MG have arguably had a worse job than Škoda c. 1990.
Just as there was once resistance to having monocoque MGs, I think the latest "not a proper MG" is a huge hit, and while I might look at "what two years ago a Fabia Estate was" for my next car because a Marvel R is not for me, I can see the market for small and even medium petrol cars is drying up (Citigo, C1 have gone, Polo keeps getting bigger) and I'll probably get an MG, because I love the brand!

Meanwhile, April's game can start in about a week!
 

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Time to start the game again! Numbers follow. Was it 45 or 46 for April 2020?
It was 45. better than Renault. As registration month March was an absolute record at 3,956, I don't know what to guess for this month, although anecdotally sales are quite strong. I wonder how many tax-efficient fleet EVs were registered in March on a 21 plate and whether any were held up by the Suez incident?
I was ridiculously low last month but this month showrooms have been open the whole month in England. I'll guess 1,488.
 

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Results out on Wednesday 5th. The race is on with the expected announcement about Cyberster!
 
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